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century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. The Dogon. To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is Temple (The Sirius Mystery, St, Martin's Press, 1975) claims to be able to trace the Sirius-B myth back through Egyptian mythology to Sumerian mythology, thus establishing the certainty that the informants were extraterrestrials. For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. Inevitably one must ask, if the Dogons had heard good stories about Sirius from other sources, would they ignore them or would they quickly adopt them into their own cultural myths? Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting Investigating Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. Knowledge of the stars is not important Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. Flim-Flam! As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. Griaule either As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated by Philip Coppens. Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted According to Griaule and Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed. Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. Temple does not argue that contact with an advanced civilization is the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B, but he indicates that he personally finds the theory of alien contact more convincing. Copyright 19922023. Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). Young was a fervent believer in the Council of Nine, a mysterious group of channelled entities that claim to be the nine creator gods of ancient Egypt. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. 11.1. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." characteristics. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. So it merely remains for any interested reader to check and see which of us is correct. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. by Philip Coppens. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. Concluded Ridpath: "The parts of the Dogon knowledge that are admittedly both ancient and profound, particularly the story of Nommo and the concept of twinning, are the parts that bear least relation to the true facts about Sirius. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. (Photo by John and Keturah. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. Temples (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. This proves that geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part of the Sirius lore.". What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. What about Sirius? But that doesn't stop Temple. In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. The cartographer took all such factors into account. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. fifty years. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. <> e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. 1999. Sagan, Carl. No such nebula is seen. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological This is a complicated issue, because several special interest groups each claim the Dogon for their own. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. But my own measurements, which Several possibilities exist. The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. The alleged visitors from outer space None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. But other observers disagree. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. They dont have telescopes or other The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. But was anything left out? The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. There is, For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. I disagree wit deeee72. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. Review. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Cook some soul food. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), "It does not!" WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Beware of mood swings. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. The Dogon. The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. of earth and transmitted in conversation. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. McDaid, Liam. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). by Philip Coppens. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. ;p7D) Bullard, Thomas. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. Randi, James. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. To be specific they sound like the kinds of astronomical conclusions one might draw from studying the heavens through a small portable telescope. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is by Liam McDaid. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. The only mystery is how anyone could take seriously either the notion of The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. The Dogon. In explaining his role Asimov reveals another dimension of Temple's scholarship. Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. The Dogon People Revisited.. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. mystery resurfaces. Temple claims that bas-reliefs of the Sumerian demigod Oannes, which depict a "fish man," prove Nommo, whom the author identifies as the ancestor of the Dogon Nommo myths, was an amphibious extraterrestrial. myths by confabulation." I did more searching and found that for the keywords Dogon and Sirius B, almost 1000 websites were listed. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. technological societies located on planet earth. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. no conclusions of any kind." They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. 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