What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. If that is the last word then so be it. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? Could you tell me the difference? Legal Statement. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. I will reply to them briefly. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. I have not misrepresented what you said. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. I can write the e-mails. He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". 4, 3-4). http://religionnews.com/2016/05/11/why-pastor-steven-furtick-skirts-scandalous-questions/. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. 23,12! I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Have mercy! Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. (Ezek. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. (John MacArthur). . John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. . From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." Required fields are marked *. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. New International Version 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. Regards. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. 3. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. 4) Wrong on all counts. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? It just looks weird. Their influence has been growing and recently . Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. Were deeply grateful for that. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. I kind of dreaded this type of response. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. 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